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  • The New Season: Hours and Juniors

    The New Season: Hours and Juniors

    For many Nordic skiers, April marks the end of the season and May starts the new one. With some variation, the Nordic year is made up of 13 four-week-long periods. Each period has a different training emphasis and within each, training rhythms weave through the choices of intensities, training methods and forms, and time spent. April to May and May to June are a transition period; a time for relaxation, the return to dry land training and the setting of new and adjusted goals.

    There are some assumptions about setting goals for the new season that are popping up on various websites that, particularly when we are concerned with juniors, warrant a careful look. A common topic is the proper number of training hours and the amount to increase them. My old Scotch aunt was fond of saying about things like fire, booze, passion, and stubbornness that “It makes a good slave but a bad master!” I think hours are much the same.

    For juniors, getting started in the game, experiencing longer races, dealing with more significant successes and shortfalls, and beginning to lay out plans for entry into senior competition are all different stages. In designing programs for kids, it is critical to keep that in mind.

    The Hours Beast

    This is a big topic and I am not going to weigh in on it where it concerns seniors. There are a lot of informed opinions. This is about juniors; teenage athletes coming to skiing from a lot of different points. It is about giving kids the best foundation for getting better, it is about not unwittingly burning them out, it is about creating a curiosity about training and an appreciation for patience.

    One of the pitfalls in the hours game is the total number necessary and another is the rate of increase from season to season. With juniors we need to determine when (and if) we should start counting, how we count and what we do with the numbers.

    When and If

    If a young athlete is fully committed to “doing it all!” in high school, we probably shouldn’t even begin to count hours with regard to ski training. If he or she runs cross-country, plays soccer, skis and then does spring track, each as a competition season, there frankly isn’t time to do effective training for Nordic skiing (or for any of the other sports) and we are opening the athlete to potential hazard if we try to cram it in.

    It is different if the athlete has chosen Nordic skiing as his primary sport. If he is able to run XC and compete but train with a broader, ski related focus, if he can take time to recover at season’s end and then train for skiing without racing too much, and if he can join the track squad for the hurdles or the field events instead of being cajoled into taking his ski-gained fitness into the distance races, then we can think about hours. The athlete has not specialized, he has prioritized.

    When should we start to count hours? A lot depends on when the athlete’s body is ready. There is no average teen, but if there were we might start on a program that prescribed and counted training hours at age 15 or 16. Remember this is when we would start to actually keep track. Enthusiastic kids may keep logs long before and that is fine, though we should be ready to help them keep hour counting from becoming an obsession.

    How many hours should we do? The following comparison of recommendations for yearly hours is meant only to inform:

    The Swedish Ski Federation         The US Ski Team and National Nordic Foundation

    (Den Rode Traaden -2005)             (NNF website and USST Pipeline-current)

    Age   Hours                                      Age   Hours

    16 – 300-400                                     16-17  500+

    17 – 400-450                                     18-19  600+

    18 – 450-525                                     20+     700+

    19 – 525-575

    20 – 575-625

    23 – 675-700

    27 – 775-800

    At Burke, we chose to follow the Scandinavian model more closely. We believe it allows for building a better base, reducing burn out, and a more reasonably attained reality. It encourages the commitment to the quality of the hours over simply the number. If the young athlete is already a skier and is eager, start to keep track of a program of 300–325 hours per year. Do the math. It isn’t too many. The point is to help them keep track and to learn early on how to get the most out of each hour. See how it goes and adjust up or down.

    How do we count hours? One thing is to remember to look at everything the athlete is doing. If he is playing soccer and doing field sprints in training, then those times count toward the yearly total. If he is a good player and the team is good, then a soccer game is not ninety minutes of training. Good players kick, watch, walk, sprint and kick. There is not a lot of aerobic work in a game, but there is probably ten to fifteen minutes of impulse max speed. We don’t want to get in the habit of padding hours. Take hours when they are real, and don’t take them when they are not.

    At Burke, we do not add strength sessions into the yearly total, but keep that as a separate number. The important thing is to be sure the minutes you count are actually minutes you are working. An athlete focused on getting into the gym and running through a max strength session of four to six different exercises can get it done with proper rest intervals in 30 to 40 minutes. The gym becomes more of a social place for some and that is when real hours get muddied in the strength phase. Knowing how to get it done and get on with it is a good thing, but so is enjoying the company of other kids working. In the early stages finding the balance is important.

    What do we do with the hours numbers and how do we decide how much to increase them? These are important considerations. The stage our athlete is in is critical to what move is next.

    Let’s look at three examples. For each the time of the year is now, late April and May, and the project we are confronting is the plan for the coming season with May being the beginning of period one.

    First, a 15-year-old boy who has skied a little as a BKL skier, shows promise and wants to train for skiing. He also runs XC for his high school in the fall and skis on the high school team, racing five km twice a week for much of the season. Spring finds him running the 800 and the mile. His log for skiing has taken into account XC running training, race time, training time for the high school ski team and for the track team. He has logged about 310 hours.

    Second, a 17-year-old female who has skied with a good program and worked on a ski focused plan for two years. She qualified for her region’s JN team and finished in the top 15 in all of those races. Her best race was in the sprint, qualifying and missing semis by one place. Hours for the past season about 380.

    Third, a 19-year-old male. Top Lacrosse player in high school. Quick rise to regional success in skiing. Finishing a PG year with an excellent year round program. Good results in training and early season competitions then falling off dramatically at JN’s and late season efforts. Discouraged and listless by the end.  Hours for the year at 500+.

    Rather than offering detailed recipes, we’ll examine what we see and what we need to consider. Even if we have been the athlete’s coaches in each case, we need to gather information and put it through the grid.

    This is only meant to share ideas or thoughts, not to tell anyone what to do. There are many roads to Rome.

    In the first example, we need to explore what the athlete wants and we need to give those discussions time to process and sink in. He is at a crossroad and if he wants to pick skiing as his primary sport he will need to find a way to put in more time training; not necessarily more hours, but more of his hours need to be focused on base building for skiing. In the fall, I’d be inclined to see if he could add a ski specific workout in a low intensity to his XC running training, in winter to cut back on the number of competitions and perhaps add a longer one or two, and in spring to shift from track distances to field events. On this path we would start a formal log and hours might go up a little; 325? 350?

    If he wants to continue to “letter in four sports” he needs to be careful to stay healthy and because so much of his time is in competition, to pay extra attention to rest and recovery. He is only 15 and he can take another year to “do it all.” The short speed work and general coordination he’ll gain won’t hurt if he stays healthy and doesn’t get driven under by too much competition.  On this course I would leave the hours where they are. In each case we want to emphasize the quality and efficiency of the training times.

    In the instance of our girl coming home enthused and charged from a great JN’s and a good year we take the same time to discuss and to plan the course. Some things to remember are that she is not close to full physical maturity, she has been on a year round training program for only two years, and Mom and Dad are starting to talk in the alphabet soup of NTG, REG, NNF and use words such as “elite,” “pipeline,” and “coach’s pull”.

    Talent is no doubt at work here, as are enthusiasm, natural fitness, and commitment. All are good and effective tools. We need to make sure we are paying attention to the base. This means a look closely at the kind of hours we are putting in before we consider the number. Her distance work is distinctly weaker than her sprints and short races. Do we emphasize sprinting? Or do we take some time to build more speed in levels one, two, and three intensity zones?

    She has a tendency to shorten up and peck at the snow in V2. Do we work only on that or do we also see that it is partly because of poor balance and take some training time in the gym on the beam, and in elementary balance drills? She is happy and healthy and eats normally. Skiing is her chosen sport and her school is fine with that. She has two years of training under the belt. We could move the hours up a little bit and pay close attention to how well they were being used and how careful she was being about recovery from hard sessions. If everything was going smoothly, August might see an upward adjustment, with a ceiling of 415. The next year if all went well, we might be ready for a more traditional 20% jump. With juniors it is important to let the profit from harder work / recovery cycles build up in the bank. Good communication and careful observation are key tools to doing that.

    The third case will take more work. There is morale to deal with and that is not a small thing. Our boy has gone flat and the mood is not good. Outside help might be indicated there. Getting a clear picture of the athlete’s background is perhaps something none of us did in the beginning; not the athlete, not the coaches. It is nobody’s fault. It happens because we as a sport in this country are still figuring this out. Good performance as a junior can still blind us to some important facts.

    We’ll make the background simple. In reality it often is. For the purpose of this example our athlete has been a star athlete at a small school in an area where everyone is active. Sport and outdoor life is a constant companion. He is a good lacrosse player and took to Nordic skiing in the winter to increase aerobic fitness. He excelled in his region, went to JN’s, did well and decided to put some real time into skiing. He signed on with one of the country’s best year round programs. After a great start in training and early season time trials things started to head south. What is up? Where are things going astray?

    Following here is a check list we can use in helping ourselves as coaches to help an athlete having difficulties. It comes from the book Endurance – Training that Produces Results, published in Norway by Akilles Forlag and authored by numerous coaches and sport scientists. One of the things it tacitly recognizes is that the load on the athlete is the whole load of his life situation and not just the training hours.

    “This illuminates some areas/problems that can have an influence on an athlete’s negative performance trend.

    1. Is the athlete incorrectly trained?
      1. Has the training load been too heavy or too light?
      2. Have the correct capacities and abilities stayed in focus?
      3. Has recovery been adequate?
    2. Is the athlete’s general health OK?
      1. How does a blood screen look (iron, hematocrit, vitamins, etc)?
    3. Has the coach followed up with the athlete regularly?
    4. How is the relationship between athlete and coach?
    5. How is the mood in the training group?
    6. Has goal setting been realistic?
    7. Can the declining results be influenced by social or economic factors in the athlete’s life?
      1. Is the athlete plagued by financial difficulties?
      2. Have there been changes in the family situation? Room mates, boy/girl friends?
      3. Have work or school demands changed?
      4. Can outside perceptions and talk be working against performance?” *

    (*The original refers to media attention here but I have modified the translation to cover a broader area.)

    If we work through this, these are some things we might possibly find and armed with the knowledge of which we might be able to help our guy get back on track.

    He is 19 and this has been the first year away from home, living with peers, and cooking, cleaning and in general caring for himself. 

    Nutrition probably isn’t what it should be. Nor is sleep. C2 H5 OH, THC etc. may be factors.

    This is his first formal year round training plan, and the first one that is followed day in and day out. It is likely an increase in training time of 100 hours.

    We find that he does not treat recovery as a specific part of the plan but more leaves it  to happen. A lot of it happens in front of the TV.

    We could go on here, but the first thing that shouts out to me is that more hours for the coming year are not in the picture. In fact fewer, but more carefully tracked would be my knee jerk to this. This could be an athlete who has become over trained, he might have an illness or nutritional issue, or it could be he simply jumped into too much too fast. Trying to be careful I would treat it as overtraining or illness first and order the blood work.

    In my mind, if he wants to have another crack at the game, and is not completely run over by it, he needs to lay out a plan that emphasizes fewer things that break down his capacities and more that stress the effects of recovery and compensation. He might stay at 500 hours and revamp the distribution of them, or he might profit more from fewer hours and careful monitoring of how overload days are used. Free from morals and rights and wrongs, he should make an honest evaluation of the role of alcohol and other recreational drugs in his year. There should be every chance of a happy return to strong competition, but this one would take care, commitment and communication from all parties.

    As we enter the new season we need to review where each of our athletes is. We need to go through the season in our minds and take the time to remember the individual rhythm and cycles of illness, strong performance and technical development. We need to see how well the training time was used and if an increase is in the cards or merely a redirection of emphases. The message for those of us working with juniors is to remember that we are on a path that in reality is not as linear as it looks on all the charts. We need to look at individuals and not only at predetermined grids. We need to be the masters of our hours and not slaves to them.

  • How Many Hours? A FasterSkier Forum

    How Many Hours? A FasterSkier Forum

    The eternal question of cross-country ski training: how much to train?  This is a debate that will never find resolution, for the simple reason that there is no one answer.  A recent FasterSkier interview with Matt Gelso stimulated renewed discussion on a topic that has become most heated when the role of collegiate skiing is added to the mix.

    We asked three coaches from different arenas of elite ski racing to weigh in on the question.  Marty Hall (former U.S. Ski Team and Bowdoin College coach), Pete Vordenberg (former U.S. Ski Team Head Coach, current U.S. Ski Team coach), and Eli Brown (University of Utah head coach) shared their opinions on how elite ski racers should look at hours.  None of these coaches have seen what the others wrote, so this is no debate or argument – merely three different perspectives.

    Marty Hall

    Training Hour Charts

    First off, let me say that the template for these charts are from the Cross Country Canada’s (CCC) coach’s education program. The original chart is singular in it’s presentation with the prescribed hours being more towards the feminine side of the curve. I have designed and adjusted the hours for a separate men’s and women’s set of charts over the past 20 to 30 years. I think I remember asking Toni Scheier, CCC’s Coaching Coordinator, way back then for use of the template, but not the numbers.

    I would encourage you to read the following article and comments (http://fasterskier.com/2010/06/after-ncaa-championship-gelso-to-join-sun-valley/) to give you background, so you may better understand where this is all coming from. One of the keys for any young skier using these charts would be to do it with you club or program coach, so you can decide how you are going to jump into these numbers with potentially some good discussions. Remember, the success to any yearly program is the constant monitoring as the season progresses as to how you are handling your training load, and making adjustments accordingly.

    If there is any number that sticks out in my mind over the years, it is the 500 hour year, as it comes down to doing 1.5 hours of training a day. If you are serious about your training preparation, you would expect to be out for at least 1.5 hours in any training session, so that would be a great starting point. And if you are a serious skier in your preparation, you definitely have a training log that you and your coach can refer to for what your training hours looked like this past year, and which may give you your starting point for the new year.

    Adjusting your hours is a yearly process you’ll do every spring, hopefully with a coach you’ve been working with, and operating from that well-kept training log.

    As you see, there are high limits for the hours when you reach your mid to late twenties, and you will hear stories of people cutting their hours after a few years of these high hours. That would be part of the evaluation process, with discussions between you and your coach. I know Kochie [Bill Koch] did it late in his career–his own decision, and most likely done to prolong his career.

    It bothers me that these kinds of numbers are not available anywhere for the xc ski racing community to refer to. We have a great majority of the young ski racing population that are so far behind in international hours right from the get-go, it is almost impossible to catch up.

    You can argue all you want to about this, but it is standard operating procedure in Europe–just look at the examples I referenced in the above-mentioned article I asked you to read. One other point is that we all have certain levels of talent (genetics), but you have to be in the same ball park with your preparation if you are going to ever be competitive. We have the programs, we have the skiers, we have the coaches, we have the technicians–we have won medals in both countries, so we can be successful and we know how to get there. Now we need more skiers with the right training base of hours to bring more depth to our programs.

    I hope this helps you and your coach get you on track to realizing your potential.

    Eli Brown

    Training Hours and College Skiing

    Training has always been about quality more so than quantity, but total volume of hours is indeed an important piece in the development process.  The question is commonly asked; Can a developing athlete with World Cup – Olympic aspirations train enough in a college setting to continue their development towards international success?  Yes…

    For me, the question isn’t whether or not college fits into development, because it has to!  The collective resources that make up college skiing in this country are TOO HUGE NOT TO!  From coaching, scholarships, medical, team atmosphere, education-life balance, and support, college skiing is a huge resource.  We have to use our college system for athlete development.  No, that doesn’t mean everyone needs to ski in college, but for those who make do that choice, coaches and programs need to support  their long term development goals.  College programs need to embrace the challenge of communication and collaboration set by the U.S. Ski Team.  And the greater ski community as a whole needs to embrace the resources at hand and make college skiing a strong option for our best developing athletes.

    You could say, “but Eli, you haven’t sent a skier onto World Cup, and not many others have either, so how can you support this?”  That’s true, but the basic framework is there.  And the resources are tremendous.  For the record, there have been and will be former college skiers on the World Cup and at the Olympics:  Garrott Kuzzy, Torin Koos, and Simi Hamilton all made the most recent U.S. Olympic Team after skiing in college.  Additionally, there are former college skiers racing at World Cup or close to that level in Europe:  Sara Svendsen, Kjetil Dammen, and Snorri Einarsson are a few examples.

    The most important thing for a developing athlete to decide is their lifestyle–they could stay out of school and on their own (probably tough), out of school and in a club (solid plan), no school plus job (can be tough depending on situation), in school and working (tough, but necessary for some), school and strong commitment to training (very possible path to success).

    So back to training hours.  How many is good?  Well, a typical year hour progression from junior to senior to World Cup is familiar to us all.  No matter what the numbers are, the young athlete to senior athlete development step is a big one.  Skiers need to set up their lifestyles to put in a lot of training.  Here at Utah, we have a majority of athletes on a 600 hour a year plan.  The highest I have had is 750 hours–and that athlete was successful.  Training hours can be very individual, but they probably need to be at or above 600 hours during early senior years.

    In college, there are tons of opportunities and tons of options.  It’s a matter of taking advantage of school and a ski team, simplifying the rest of your life, and putting it all on the line.  At Utah, we try to set up seven to 10 workouts together, as a group, every week.  We work with academic departments to get the most flexible schedules possible for training, and some athletes maximize training time by taking the NCAA minimum of 12 credits a semester.  Most importantly, we work to set up a culture of success on the team, support outside racing and training, and work with athletes year-round, within NCAA rules, to maximize the support they receive, to help them reach their long-term goals.  The most important thing that coaches and support networks can provide our early senior athletes is the opportunity to love the sport enough to continue through and after college.  Dream and develop, and set a course of action.

    Pete Vordenberg

    The internet is interesting. You can find a lot of stuff, ideas, thoughts, opinions. But you don’t necessarily know how good the information is, or take the right steps in learning to apply the info, even if it is good.

    To tell a short story – I trained a bit with Torgny Mogren in the fall of 1994. He said he never trained more than 600 hours his whole career, and generally less. That may be so, but the time I trained with him was damn hard training! The point is that it is dangerous to just look at hours.

    The good thing about looking at them is that if you (an athlete) are way off, you probably need to adjust what you are doing, especially if your results are not in line with your goals. But it is much better to focus on what needs to make up the hours of training – which is why I like the more specific documents, and why I like even more that coaches go through the education system, and as always, why it is better to communicate directly with each other and with us than to hunt the web.

    On the web, I’d start here and spend some time with that: http://trainingsystem.ussa.org/

    Other pipeline documents here:

    http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/ussa/en/sports/crosscountry/development.html

    Elite Development pipeline: Shows the steps all along the way. To see mention of hours see Page 2, stage 5 and 6.

    Athlete Competencies: This is a document I really like, that gets into very specific ideas for all age groups. These specifics are certainly more important than the hours, as it shows what the hours need to be made up of. To see suggested hours see page 13.

    Swedish development model: This is another good document, but so far it is just in Swedish.

    For their hour recommendations they start on page 4 and 5 and even break down the type of training. Page 4 outlines traditional training; page 5 is sprint training. Alder is age, Tjejer is girls, Killar is boys, etc. They even show where someone’s V02 needs to be–Dam means women, Herr means men, and then it shows the V02 by age. Nice touch.

    Their training recommendations in this document, hour-wise, are a bit different from ours. But I think anyone can see the progression of hours, and in general (within, say, 100 hours at most), they do show the sort of work that needs to get done. This sort of information has been out there forever.

    I have old documents from Norway and Sweden since I was a kid searching for this information myself. I have training from Vegard [Ulvang] and [Thomas] Aalsgard and [Bjorn] Daehlie among others. It is not all the same. People look differently at certain types of training, how to lay it out, etc. But interestingly, the specific workout types and the very general theme has been very, very similar since I started paying attention: train hard, rest well.

    http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/ussa/en/formembers/athletes/education.html?tab=xc

    This link also has some great info. Check out the training plan and the training log, and also, the compartment syndrome paper is timely and quite good. I would also look at the articles from Sverre Caldwell and Erik Flora, from the 2009 coaches’ education conference, as really good info.

    http://www.nccsef.org/pipeline.shtml

    If you go here, you can see the very simple presentation of development pipeline (phases of development). I typed up all this information for the National Cross Country Ski Education Foundation, so let me know if it isn’t clear.

    Since I won’t be involved in a blog-ish conversation or internet drama please email me at pvordenberg@ussa.org with questions or ideas. Thank you all.