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Category: XCFeeds
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CXC Team joins Minnesota Youth Ski League Practice
CXC Team Vertical Limit had a great training camp in Marine on St. Croix, MN. The old mill town was quiet and peaceful allowing us to get our work done. Roller skiing, running, biking and weight lifting were the names of the games.
One of the highlights of the week for me was joining the Minnesota Youth Ski League Practice. We brought our agility and coordination strength equipment and with a little imagination has some great ski specific games, relays, and activities. 30 of us enjoyed a beautiful afternoon.
I will be brining the hurdles and ladders to the Boys and Girls Club this Wednesday, June 23 for ‘Olympic Day’. Who is ready to show they have the ups?I will be brining the hurdles and ladders to the Boys and Girls Club this Wednesday, June 23 for ‘Olympic Day’. Who is ready to show they have the ups?
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Learn to Rollerski Day, Summer, DGrald @ Bend
We had an absolutely gorgeous “Learn to Rollerski” day this past weekend. An all-star cast of NENSA, Mad River Valley Bill Koch League, and GMVS teamed up to host the day right! Music, tons of V2 rollerskis, a tent for some shade (thanks NENSA), kiddie ski-boots and poles, professional photography (thanks Mad River BKL), and two scruffy looking guys with hula hoops, physio-balls, and cones (Justin and me).br /br /Pictures from Abby Weissman/NENSA @ Flickr:br /br /a onblur=”try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}” href=”http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCph2hSjuI/AAAAAAAAAPo/iWlPYgM7_so/s1600/lydia.jpg”img style=”display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;” src=”http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCph2hSjuI/AAAAAAAAAPo/iWlPYgM7_so/s400/lydia.jpg” alt=”” id=”BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5485570745173184226″ border=”0″ //aLydia catches some shade.br /a onblur=”try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}” href=”http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCphbsfHbI/AAAAAAAAAPg/LMyDZSe-y8c/s1600/justin-kids.jpg”img style=”display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;” src=”http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCphbsfHbI/AAAAAAAAAPg/LMyDZSe-y8c/s400/justin-kids.jpg” alt=”” id=”BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5485570737972387250″ border=”0″ //aJustin helps Nina get into some Marwe’s.br /a onblur=”try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}” href=”http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCphLRP14I/AAAAAAAAAPY/LrjPT_ffCNo/s1600/fitzy-neighbor.jpg”img style=”display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;” src=”http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCphLRP14I/AAAAAAAAAPY/LrjPT_ffCNo/s400/fitzy-neighbor.jpg” alt=”” id=”BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5485570733563172738″ border=”0″ //aKaitlin and her neighbor!br /a onblur=”try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}” href=”http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCpg-wLLuI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/GN2prYHOVfQ/s1600/big-boys.jpg”img style=”display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;” src=”http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cBFLp0vFuic/TCCpg-wLLuI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/GN2prYHOVfQ/s400/big-boys.jpg” alt=”” id=”BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5485570730203229922″ border=”0″ //aThe “big boys” — I believe all graduates of Mad River BKL. Notice one Mr. Theo Morton (GMVS Alpiner) in red. I saw him land a 360* on those rollerskis about 5-minutes after putting them on.br /br /br /span style=”font-weight: bold;”OTHER NEWS:/spanbr /br /Our Mad River training group starts this morning (in about 40 minutes) with some L3 Ski-Walking intervals at Sugarbush. We’re hosting supervised training Tuesday/Wednesday mornings, and some Saturdays.br /br /GMVS Ski Camps get underway on Friday, so look for pictures and stories from those soon.br /br /Dylan Grald (GMVS PG ’09) has an update on his Summer in Bend, OR, on the
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A (drunken) flawless letter from Austria
pemJKnote: the letter was received along with four (4) phone interminable phone calls at 1:00AM Austrian time./em/p
pKind Sirs,br/ I am prefacing this with the fact that I am 1,4l into the haufbrauhaus and my forearms are heavy with exhaustion from squeezing skis.br/br/ We the people feel that the quality of recent posts on johnnyklister have failed to live up to the standard to which we have become accustomed. Specifically, our concerns encompass the prevalence of the so-called “bicycle” and other irrelevant concerns on what should be an incisive ski-focused media outlet. Therefore, we strongly urge you to immediately take the following remedial action:br/ ein: the discussion of irrelevant, non-Nordic, stupid, or annoying topics will cease immediately.br/ ein comma fumpf: it should be duly noted that inane, asinine, bogus and otherwise offensive material as long as it is directly related to the avocation of cross country ski RACING is strongly encouraged.br/ Svei:we cannot produce point two at this time.br/ Drei: fakefastskier should be returned to service immediately and without delay.br/ Drei comma fumpf: through extensive research we have obtained technology relevant to fakefasterskier and Willing to share said technology.br/ Fier: if suitable content is unavailable, do NOT refer to random occurences such as neo Nazis with a proclivity for large women who have heroin tracks on their arms who you meet on a train.br/ Fumpf: there is no fumph.br/br/ We the people reiterate that these truths are self-evident and cannot repudiated. JohNnyklister is the best thing to happen to cross country skiing in the last decade and we fully support the snotty, elitist and sarcastic epithets strewn forth. we challenge you kind sirs to hold yourself to the high standard you have set. We challenge you to post this statement as an example of the pathetic drivel that will no longer sully the Johnny brand.br/br/ Johnny is not afraid. Johnny will remain silent when there is nothing to be said. Johnny will crush when you make a mistake in public. Johnny will call you out and laugh at your stupidity. Johnny is skiing and Johnny knows who has been bad and who has been good.br/br/ kindest regards,br/br/ Your faithful readership/p
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RUN, BIKE, HIKE & RODEO
Ketcum, ID – I ran the Sawtooth Relay and then slept for 14 hours for the three nights following. I did the Wood River Cup short-track mountain bike race and then slept for 13 hours and woke with a cough. I went to the Mackay Rodeo and danced all night long with cowboys before promptly taking a 5-hour nap followed by a full night’s sleep...
Sawtooth Relay, Team Heaven and HeliI am clearly not listening to the obvious signs that my body is still under the weather but it is finally spring and there are so many fun things to do! I am going in for more blood work today to see if maybe I still have mono (since January) and booking a flight home, to sea-level, for some un-distracted R&R. -
RUN, BIKE, HIKE & RODEO
Ketcum, ID – I ran the Sawtooth Relay and then slept for 14 hours for the three nights following. I did the Wood River Cup short-track mountain bike race and then slept for 13 hours and woke with a cough. I went to the Mackay Rodeo and danced all night long with cowboys before promptly taking a 5-hour nap followed by a full night’s sleep...
Sawtooth Relay, Team Heaven and HeliI am clearly not listening to the obvious signs that my body is still under the weather but it is finally spring and there are so many fun things to do! I am going in for more blood work today to see if maybe I still have mono (since January) and booking a flight home, to sea-level, for some un-distracted R&R. -
RUN, BIKE, HIKE & RODEO
Ketcum, ID – I ran the Sawtooth Relay and then slept for 14 hours for the three nights following. I did the Wood River Cup short-track mountain bike race and then slept for 13 hours and woke with a cough. I went to the Mackay Rodeo and danced all night long with cowboys before promptly taking a 5-hour nap followed by a full night’s sleep...
Sawtooth Relay, Team Heaven and HeliI am clearly not listening to the obvious signs that my body is still under the weather but it is finally spring and there are so many fun things to do! I am going in for more blood work today to see if maybe I still have mono (since January) and booking a flight home, to sea-level, for some un-distracted R&R. -
RUN, BIKE, HIKE & RODEO
Ketcum, ID – I ran the Sawtooth Relay and then slept for 14 hours for the three nights following. I did the Wood River Cup short-track mountain bike race and then slept for 13 hours and woke with a cough. I went to the Mackay Rodeo and danced all night long with cowboys before promptly taking a 5-hour nap followed by a full night’s sleep...
Sawtooth Relay, Team Heaven and HeliI am clearly not listening to the obvious signs that my body is still under the weather but it is finally spring and there are so many fun things to do! I am going in for more blood work today to see if maybe I still have mono (since January) and booking a flight home, to sea-level, for some un-distracted R&R. -
RUN, BIKE, HIKE & RODEO
Ketcum, ID – I ran the Sawtooth Relay and then slept for 14 hours for the three nights following. I did the Wood River Cup short-track mountain bike race and then slept for 13 hours and woke with a cough. I went to the Mackay Rodeo and danced all night long with cowboys before promptly taking a 5-hour nap followed by a full night’s sleep...
Sawtooth Relay, Team Heaven and HeliI am clearly not listening to the obvious signs that my body is still under the weather but it is finally spring and there are so many fun things to do! I am going in for more blood work today to see if maybe I still have mono (since January) and booking a flight home, to sea-level, for some un-distracted R&R. -
Poll Update
Don’t forget that tomorrow is your last day to vote (see sidebar to your right) for the head-to-head matchup you’d like to see me attack next. I’ll post the analysis on Wednesday….
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How I Learned to Start Worrying and Hate the F-Factor (Part 1)
This topic is going to be somewhat more technical than usual. It involves some inside baseball, to mix sports metaphors, so if the nitty gritty details of FIS point calculations don’t strike you as an exciting page turner, you’ve been warned! However, if you stick with me, you’ll learn how brutally stupid FIS’s F-factor adjustments actually are. Yes, I said brutally stupid.
First we need some background. (But for real, if you’re a serious ski racer, you should know this stuff! It’s your sport, educate yourself!)
FIS points are a system devised to (fairly) compare ski racing performances across different races. Now, you might say “Why can’t we just say, ‘I finished 5th!’” and be done with it? Well, that approach has some serious problems. Anyone who has participated in more than one ski race can tell you that there’s a huge difference between finishing 5th in a weak field and being 1.5 minutes out of first, versus finishing 5th among a very strong field and only 10 seconds out of first.
These two 5th place finishes represent very different performances. But if all we say is that each racer finished 5th, we’d be fooled into thinking they were about the same. FIS points are an attempt to remedy this problem. It solves the “time behind the winner” problem by using percent back from the winning time. It solves the weak field vs. strong field problem using race penalties.
The basic idea is that for a particular race, we calculate the percent back (PB) from the winning time for each skier. The winning skier’s percent back is zero, and so on. Then we calculate a race penalty that measures the overall strength of the competition on that day. It’s based on the top five skiers (generally), and this penalty is added to everyone’s percent back.
For the purposes of this article, we can ignore the race penalty issue. I’m only considering top international racing (World Cup, World Championship and Olympics) where the race penalties are, by definition, zero. The presumption is that the skiers at any of these races represent the toughest field in the world at any given time. <1
Here’s a simple example. Suppose we have a World Cup race and the top three skiers and times are:
- Skier A 26:58.07
- Skier B 27:10.19
- Skier C 27:13.88
We convert each time into seconds and find the PB from the winning time:
- Skier A 1618.07 0.00%
- Skier B 1630.19 0.75%
- Skier C 1633.88 0.98%
We could just stop here and use only PB. Sadly, it quickly becomes apparent that different types of races can produce dramatically different PB scores. The following graph shows the distribution of PB for men and women, comparing interval and mass start races. Only races since 2002-2003 are included. (Pursuits with no breaks are included in the mass starts.)

Clearly, mass start races lead to many more low PB values than interval start races. Why is this a problem? Well, the advantage of using PB is that it is supposed to generalize better across different races. That is, if I say I finished 2.5% back in one race and 5% back in another, we ought to be able to conclude that the first performance was “better” even though they took place in completely different races.
But if my 2.5% back race was in a mass start, that is somehow “less impressive”, since evidently many more people are able to ski close to the winner in a mass start race. It is suddenly less clear which is the better race, 2.5% back in a mass start or 5% in an interval start race.
Just to be on the safe side, let’s check if there are similar discrepancies between classic and freestyle races:

The FC category refers to pursuit races where the skiers use both techniques during the course of a mass start race. This looks more or less ok. Technique doesn’t seem to be creating inherently different PB’s.
That leaves the problem of interval vs. mass start races. This is the problem that F-factors are meant to “solve”. What FIS does is to simply scale the PB values from mass start (and pursuit) races up by a factor of 1.75. <2 Let’s look at what that achieves:

Wait a minute. Wasn’t the F-factor supposed to make these two distributions look the same? That’s how I’d describe a solution to this problem, but I’m betting no one as FIS thought about it very hard. The thought process was probably just, “Mass start points are too low. Let’s make them bigger.” Facepalm.
They succeeded in making them bigger, but haven’t solved the original problem, which was that PB’s from mass start and interval starts meant somewhat different things. Now we have two discrepancies: notice that the mass start curve is higher than the interval start curve in two places! Mass start races are now more likely to produce really low PB’s and really high PB’s.
This means that if you’re in the bottom third or so of a mass start race, your points are actually considerably worse thanks to this adjustment. Not only have we not fixed the problem (top finishers in mass start races are still getting better points) but we’ve actually made the problem dramatically worse for everyone else. If you’re not in the top 25-30 in a mass start race, you’re are being royally screwed, my friend! Royally.
Now that we’ve set up the problem, on Wednesday I’ll discuss whether we should really worry about this at all and if we do decide to worry about it, I’ll introduce a simple fix.
- This isn’t exactly true of course. But the variation in field strength among WC races is far less than between, say, a WC race and a local high school race. <↩
- Actually, they multiply interval start races by 800 and mass starts by 1400, which is the same as multiplying them by 800/800=1 and 1400/800=1.75 <↩
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10th Mtn. Skate Time Trial
Summer is here finally! It was hot and humid for our first time trial of the new season. Most of the biathlon and x-c crews are up in the County working hard so we brought everyone together for a 5.5km and 11km skate time trial. We do this on the roller loop at the 10th Mtn. Center and it has become one of our standardized tests for our Teams. No one has done a ton of roller skiing, but the group still looked solid. Photo: Corrine looked strong and put down the only negative splits in the ladies fieldBethAnn led a strong team of biathlon ladies today Joey represented the x-c crew with smooth skiing Andrea showed good pacing and some of the most improved technique Grace powered through the V2 sections Kat skied strong both loops putting together nearly even splits Raleigh took the win today -
10th Mtn. Skate Time Trial
Summer is here finally! It was hot and humid for our first time trial of the new season. Most of the biathlon and x-c crews are up in the County working hard so we brought everyone together for a 5.5km and 11km skate time trial. We do this on the roller loop at the 10th Mtn. Center and it has become one of our standardized tests for our Teams. No one has done a ton of roller skiing, but the group still looked solid. Photo: Corrine looked strong and put down the only negative splits in the ladies fieldBethAnn led a strong team of biathlon ladies today Joey represented the x-c crew with smooth skiing Andrea showed good pacing and some of the most improved technique Grace powered through the V2 sections Kat skied strong both loops putting together nearly even splits Raleigh took the win today -
10th Mtn. Skate Time Trial
Summer is here finally! It was hot and humid for our first time trial of the new season. Most of the biathlon and x-c crews are up in the County working hard so we brought everyone together for a 5.5km and 11km skate time trial. We do this on the roller loop at the 10th Mtn. Center and it has become one of our standardized tests for our Teams. No one has done a ton of roller skiing, but the group still looked solid. Photo: Corrine looked strong and put down the only negative splits in the ladies fieldBethAnn led a strong team of biathlon ladies today Joey represented the x-c crew with smooth skiing Andrea showed good pacing and some of the most improved technique Grace powered through the V2 sections Kat skied strong both loops putting together nearly even splits Raleigh took the win today -
10th Mtn. Skate Time Trial
Summer is here finally! It was hot and humid for our first time trial of the new season. Most of the biathlon and x-c crews are up in the County working hard so we brought everyone together for a 5.5km and 11km skate time trial. We do this on the roller loop at the 10th Mtn. Center and it has become one of our standardized tests for our Teams. No one has done a ton of roller skiing, but the group still looked solid. Photo: Corrine looked strong and put down the only negative splits in the ladies fieldBethAnn led a strong team of biathlon ladies today Joey represented the x-c crew with smooth skiing Andrea showed good pacing and some of the most improved technique Grace powered through the V2 sections Kat skied strong both loops putting together nearly even splits Raleigh took the win today -
St Croix Valley Ski Club
We’ve wrapped up our June Camp in Marine and are now back at our respective homes. One of the highlights of the camp was getting together with the St Croix Valley Ski Club, a Minnesota Youth Ski League club, for an afternoon of skills development and games. This is the third summer we’ve worked with these young athletes and it’s cool to see so many familiar faces of kids that are getting older and faster.
The kids really enjoyed running the ladders, jumping the hurdles, and passing the medicine ball, which served as a baton in the relays.
It was one of the only clear afternoons we had all camp. The kids just finished their last day of school the previous day, so they had a little extra energy to burn off.
Our afternoon with the St Croix Valley club was a highlight of the camp. Thanks to CXC Youth Director Everett Myers for getting this event organized. It was cool to see the building blocks of a strong ski community taking shape.
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It’s beginning to feel like SUMMER!
I was beginning to wonder if summer was ever going to arrive here in Sun Valley. It has been a long, cold spring. This past week felt more like summer and it looks as if more sun is just around the corner…just in time for summer solstice, tomorrow!
With the longer days of summer come some busy and fun-packed days! While I am in the thick of training, I am also spending much of my time at the YMCA summer camp. Last week we enjoyed taking a tour of the world, exploring and learning about a different country each day. This week we had fun finding treasures in scavenger hunts all over town! We have 20-25 kids each day, and they arrive every morning with a bundle of energy. It’s been really fun to work with the kids day in and day out.
Julian, sporting his Samurai hatThis coming week we are exploring the difference between magic and science with some fun experiments. On Wednesday, June 23rd, I am organizing a celebration for Olympic Day. I’ll be sure to update on all the fun activities of the day.
Until then….keep enjoying the summer!
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It’s beginning to feel like SUMMER!
I was beginning to wonder if summer was ever going to arrive here in Sun Valley. It has been a long, cold spring. This past week felt more like summer and it looks as if more sun is just around the corner…just in time for summer solstice, tomorrow!
With the longer days of summer come some busy and fun-packed days! While I am in the thick of training, I am also spending much of my time at the YMCA summer camp. Last week we enjoyed taking a tour of the world, exploring and learning about a different country each day. This week we had fun finding treasures in scavenger hunts all over town! We have 20-25 kids each day, and they arrive every morning with a bundle of energy. It’s been really fun to work with the kids day in and day out.
Julian, sporting his Samurai hatThis coming week we are exploring the difference between magic and science with some fun experiments. On Wednesday, June 23rd, I am organizing a celebration for Olympic Day. I’ll be sure to update on all the fun activities of the day.
Until then….keep enjoying the summer!
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It’s beginning to feel like SUMMER!
I was beginning to wonder if summer was ever going to arrive here in Sun Valley. It has been a long, cold spring. This past week felt more like summer and it looks as if more sun is just around the corner…just in time for summer solstice, tomorrow!
With the longer days of summer come some busy and fun-packed days! While I am in the thick of training, I am also spending much of my time at the YMCA summer camp. Last week we enjoyed taking a tour of the world, exploring and learning about a different country each day. This week we had fun finding treasures in scavenger hunts all over town! We have 20-25 kids each day, and they arrive every morning with a bundle of energy. It’s been really fun to work with the kids day in and day out.
Julian, sporting his Samurai hatThis coming week we are exploring the difference between magic and science with some fun experiments. On Wednesday, June 23rd, I am organizing a celebration for Olympic Day. I’ll be sure to update on all the fun activities of the day.
Until then….keep enjoying the summer!
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It’s beginning to feel like SUMMER!
I was beginning to wonder if summer was ever going to arrive here in Sun Valley. It has been a long, cold spring. This past week felt more like summer and it looks as if more sun is just around the corner…just in time for summer solstice, tomorrow!
With the longer days of summer come some busy and fun-packed days! While I am in the thick of training, I am also spending much of my time at the YMCA summer camp. Last week we enjoyed taking a tour of the world, exploring and learning about a different country each day. This week we had fun finding treasures in scavenger hunts all over town! We have 20-25 kids each day, and they arrive every morning with a bundle of energy. It’s been really fun to work with the kids day in and day out.
Julian, sporting his Samurai hatThis coming week we are exploring the difference between magic and science with some fun experiments. On Wednesday, June 23rd, I am organizing a celebration for Olympic Day. I’ll be sure to update on all the fun activities of the day.
Until then….keep enjoying the summer!













